MacIntel

[worldvision]

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[CarlosL]

Respondam-me a uma questão, pf.

Este 'MacIntel' pode correr o Windows?

[SilverArrow]

Penso que não.

Os Pc's é que vão poder correr o MacOs

[Goshek]

O verdadeiro MACOSX irá continuar a ser comercializado apenas para a arquitectura da apple, apesar de esta ter migrado para intel. Não acredito que o Steve se aventure a vender o OS à maluca sem impor uma restrição de hardware qualquer...

[miguelm]

citação:Originalmente colocada por Goshek

O verdadeiro MACOSX irá continuar a ser comercializado apenas para a arquitectura da apple, apesar de esta ter migrado para intel. Não acredito que o Steve se aventure a vender o OS à maluca sem impor uma restrição de hardware qualquer...

Obviamente!

[SilverArrow]

Esperem para ver....

[0003]

Com a Macworld 2006 lançaram tambem a actualização 4.4 do MacOS X, o que é sempre desagradável pois é das poucas coisas que obriga a um reboot, fora isso parece que corrige uns bugs da versão anterior que nunca me apercebi.
O próximo reboot do meu computador está marcado daqui a uns meses quando saír uma hipotética versão 4.5...

Cumprimentos

[worldtiki]

citação:Originalmente colocada por Carlos.L

Respondam-me a uma questão, pf.

Este 'MacIntel' pode correr o Windows?

Se não puder existe o virtual pc da microsoft para mac :/

Um bocado lento...

[worldvision]

MacIntel FAQ
http://www.everymac.com/articles/q&a...faq/index.html

[Foliv]

como o hardware é intel, tecnicamente se não o alterarem com qq chip, pode correr directamente o sofware microsoft. o contrario é que de fabrica não vai ser possivel sem modificações ou seja, correr o "novo" software mac para intel, em pc's normais.

[worldtiki]

citação:Originalmente colocada por worldvision

MacIntel FAQ
http://www.everymac.com/articles/q&a/macintel/faq/index.html

citação:Will the "Macintel" systems be able to run Windows?

Officially, no. However, on June 6, 2005, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller stated that Apple will not "preclude someone from running [Windows] on a Mac. They probably will." Apple Director of Software Product Marketing, Brian Croll affirmed that "Apple doesn't plan to sell or support Windows, but we're not planning anything on the hardware side that would preclude it from running."

[miguelm]

citação:Originalmente colocada por worldtiki

citação:Originalmente colocada por Carlos.L

Respondam-me a uma questão, pf.

Este 'MacIntel' pode correr o Windows?

Se não puder existe o virtual pc da microsoft para mac :/

Um bocado lento...

Já o experimentaste ou estás a falar de cor?

[jts]

Este ano é cheio de novidades...
MacIntel, Dual Core, no outro dia vi a apresentação do Centrino Duo.

Aliás como podem ver nas imagens acima a Intel aperaltou-se para 2006, e até mudou de logotipo.

Estou há bastante tempo para trocar o meu portátil, mas parece-me que é prudente esperar. Pelo menos pelo Windows Vista... aí o standard já será o Centrino Duo de certeza.

Estes Macs também me cativam, aliás cada vez gosto mais dos produtos da Apple, mas temo pela falta de compatibilidade para algumas coisas :/

[miguelm]

citação:Originalmente colocada por jts


Este ano é cheio de novidades...
MacIntel, Dual Core, no outro dia vi a apresentação do Centrino Duo.

Aliás como podem ver nas imagens acima a Intel aperaltou-se para 2006, e até mudou de logotipo.

Estou há bastante tempo para trocar o meu portátil, mas parece-me que é prudente esperar. Pelo menos pelo Windows Vista... aí o standard já será o Centrino Duo de certeza.

Estes Macs também me cativam, aliás cada vez gosto mais dos produtos da Apple, mas temo pela falta de compatibilidade para algumas coisas :/

Que compatibilidade específica te referes?

[Unreal]

citação:If you've been counting on being able to run Windows on those new Intel-based Macs, Apple's not about to make it easy for you -- at least not if you're attached to Windows XP. According to Apple SVP Phil Schiller, the new Macs announced yesterday (those being the Intel iMac and MacBook Pro) may not be able to run current versions of Windows due to the fact that the computers will boot using the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI), rather than a traditional BIOS (current Power PC Macs use Open Firmware). EFI was developed by Intel and allows a number of advanced features, including the ability to connect to the Internet from a command shell before the OS is loaded. Since EFI was developed after the rollout of Windows XP, it's not supported by the current or earlier version of Windows (it is, however, supported by 64-bit versions, but the new Macs are 32-bit, so it's back to square one). However, all is not lost: Windows Vista will support EFI, and Apple has said it has no plans to directly block Windows from working on the new boxes. So, if you're a Vista beta tester and have ordered a new iMac or MacBookPro, get those install CDs out; the rest of you will have to wait for the official Vista release, or find a way to hack XP to boot using EFI (which we're sure is about to become a major priority of some of you at this very moment).

[jts]

Jogos, algumas aplicações menos oficiais por exemplo de comunicação com dispositivos externos, eventualmente emuladores, e demais programas...

Normalmente quase tudo é programado a pensar no Windows :|

[KarmaCop213]

citação:Originalmente colocada por Unreal

citação:If you've been counting on being able to run Windows on those new Intel-based Macs, Apple's not about to make it easy for you -- at least not if you're attached to Windows XP. According to Apple SVP Phil Schiller, the new Macs announced yesterday (those being the Intel iMac and MacBook Pro) may not be able to run current versions of Windows due to the fact that the computers will boot using the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI), rather than a traditional BIOS (current Power PC Macs use Open Firmware). EFI was developed by Intel and allows a number of advanced features, including the ability to connect to the Internet from a command shell before the OS is loaded. Since EFI was developed after the rollout of Windows XP, it's not supported by the current or earlier version of Windows (it is, however, supported by 64-bit versions, but the new Macs are 32-bit, so it's back to square one). However, all is not lost: Windows Vista will support EFI, and Apple has said it has no plans to directly block Windows from working on the new boxes. So, if you're a Vista beta tester and have ordered a new iMac or MacBookPro, get those install CDs out; the rest of you will have to wait for the official Vista release, or find a way to hack XP to boot using EFI (which we're sure is about to become a major priority of some of you at this very moment).

Excelentes notícias. Será um concorrente das outras marcas de PC?

[jts]

Outra boa notícia vinda da Apple é que foi anunciado um acessório para os ipod que permite controlo remoto e inclui tuner FM, para quem via a sua ausência como uma lacuna em relação aos leitores da creative.

O pior é que é só para os ipod da última geração, e portanto não serve para o meu ipod mini [xx(]

[CarlosL]

citação:Originalmente colocada por jts


Outra boa notícia vinda da Apple é que foi anunciado um acessório para os ipod que permite controlo remoto e inclui tuner FM, para quem via a sua ausência como uma lacuna em relação aos leitores da creative.

O pior é que é só para os ipod da última geração, e portanto não serve para o meu ipod mini [xx(]

Podes dar-me o link da página?

[jts]

Está aqui Carlos, hora 9:15 do dia 10 de Janeiro no MacWorld:

http://news.com.com/Macworld+Intel-b...3-6024731.html

"9:15

Jobs announced a new accessory for the fifth-generation iPod and the iPod Nano that acts as both remote control and an FM radio tuner. The product sells for $49 and is available Tuesday."

Acho que ainda não está na página da Apple.

[Taveirada]

E aí vem o SO que vou começar a usar... e digo mais... duvido que os macs nao corram o Win... e se correrem... venha um!

[fapoc]

citação:Originalmente colocada por jts


Este ano é cheio de novidades...
MacIntel, Dual Core, no outro dia vi a apresentação do Centrino Duo.

Aliás como podem ver nas imagens acima a Intel aperaltou-se para 2006, e até mudou de logotipo.

Estou há bastante tempo para trocar o meu portátil, mas parece-me que é prudente esperar. Pelo menos pelo Windows Vista... aí o standard já será o Centrino Duo de certeza.

Estes Macs também me cativam, aliás cada vez gosto mais dos produtos da Apple, mas temo pela falta de compatibilidade para algumas coisas :/

Então já somos dois! Estou à espera que saiam as novidades para comprar um portátil, vamos a ver é a que preço saem essas novidades![|)]

[Unreal]

citação:SEATTLE - Apple Computer Inc. won't thwart users from loading Microsoft's Windows operating system onto its new Intel-based Macintosh computers _ but don't expect Apple to start offering a Mac running Windows.

Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, said in an interview Tuesday that the company won't sell or support Windows itself, but also hasn't done anything to preclude people from loading Windows onto the machines themselves.


"That's fine with us. We don't mind," Schiller said. "If there are people who love our hardware but are forced to put up with a Windows world, then that's OK."

Schiller made the comments at Tuesday's Macworld Expo, where Microsoft also said it had signed a five-year pact with Apple to develop versions of Office for Macs and announced plans to release a version of Office that will be compatible with Apple's new Intel-based computers.

Macs currently run Apple's own proprietary operating system, which competes with Windows. However, since Windows is much more dominant, Mac users don't necessarily have access to many software programs written only for Windows.

Apple on Tuesday unveiled its first computers using Intel chips, which power most PCs using Windows.

The switch could technically and theoretically allow a person to load Windows onto a Mac computer, although the user would require some technical expertise to pull it off. That would allow a person to run both Microsoft and Apple's operating systems on the same Apple machine.

It was news Microsoft Corp. welcomed.

"Any new machines that are on the market that run Windows are great," said Scott Erickson, director of product management and marketing for Microsoft's Mac business unit.

Erickson said it was too early to say how Microsoft might take advantage of an ability to run Windows on Macs, saying only that it could give Mac users the potential to run Windows-based applications they previously couldn't.

Still, Erickson said Microsoft remains committed to offering a version of its Office business software for Macintosh computers.

Microsoft, based in Redmond, wouldn't say when the new version of Office for Macs will be released or what it will cost. Erickson said the company last released a version of its Office business software for Macs in May of 2004, and Microsoft generally releases updates every two to three years.

Erickson said the five-year deal, in which no money changed hands, should help quell customer concerns that Microsoft will stop developing software for its rival.

"What we wanted to do was just put to rest the question of, `Hey, are they going to be around now that (Apple is) making a major switch to Intel?'" Erickson said.

This is the second time Microsoft and Apple have signed pledges to work together, although Microsoft has developed software for Macintoshes for more than two decades.

Quando raio vão sair os centrino dual core em 64=Ja era tempo...
Ou então os Turion X2.
Estou tambem à espera que saia o novo socket m2 que suporta DDR2...
Nunca mais [xx(]

[Unreal]

citação:Tech journos far and wide have been quick to jump on the story that while Apple says it isn’t doing anything to specifically prevent people from installing Windows on an Intel-based Mac, the new Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) that Apple is using on the new Macs won’t work with current generations of Windows.

EFI is the next-generation replacement for the 20-year-old BIOS, the oldest part of modern PCs which is in desperate need of an overhaul. EFI allows devices in the PC to be initialised before the operating system boots, and has features like full network support before the PC has even booted, allowing drivers to be downloaded and updated before an operating system loads.

However, Intel Australia, while being careful not to comment on Apple’s hardware specifically, says motherboards based on the Intel 945 chipset already support EFI and can boot Windows with no problems.

This cryptic statement can’t be taken as full reassurance though: it may be that 945 boards support EFI but do not come with it installed by default.

Officially, Microsoft says it will support EFI natively with Windows Vista, so it’s almost certain that Intel-based MacBook Pros and iMacs will be able to boot Vista when it is released later this year.

But a year is a long time in computing and there would be great utility for many users in a notebook that could run Windows XP during work time and OS X at home, or one that could easily be rebooted to Windows to play the latest games.

Apple is typically cryptic in its response on the issue of whether Intel-based Macs can run OS X: the official line is that “Apple has no plans to sell or support Windows”. But notably, this answer doesn’t rule out running Windows on a Mac. Indeed, Apple’s vice president of Worldwide marketing, Phil Schiller, said as much following Steve Jobs’ keynote announcing the Intel Macs. “That doesn’t preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will.”

Some clues on legacy operating system compatibility with EFI might be found in Intel’s EFI mini-site, specifically the part about a new compatibility framework that it created recently. From page four.

“For IA 32 systems, the Framework loads itself above the 1MB real-mode memory boundary to accommodate an optional Compatibility Support Module (CSM). CSM implementations can be tailored to platform requirements. A typical CSM is approximately 60KB (~38KB compressed) of firmware that is specific to each Participating Vendor and is based on that Vendor’s latest BIOS code base. A contemporary implementation of the Framework on a PC includes a CSM for supplying services to operating systems that do not boot using EFI and for supporting legacy option ROMs on add-in cards. For legacy boot the Framework initialises the platform’s silicon and executes EFI drivers. Then control is transferred to the CSM, which supports the legacy OS boot.”

So, as long as Apple has included a Compatibility Support Module, Intel-based Macs should be able to boot XP.

It seems unlikely that Apple would have left this out. It has already said it isn’t doing anything to prevent Windows from booting on a Mac.

A Mac that can legally run Windows/Linux/OS X on the one box is the ‘ultimate PC’ in compatibility terms, which should further drive hardware sales. Considering Apple includes the operating system with every Mac purchase, its OS revenue isn’t endangered by allowing people to install Windows on a Mac post-sale. And it seems very unlikely that US Department of Justice will force Apple to sell Macs without an operating system anytime soon.

Of course, Apple can’t condone or encourage running Windows on Macs, because that would cause Mac developers to question whether they should continue investing in the OS X platform if Apple is not fully committed.

It’s a ‘wink wink, nod nod’ situation, where Apple must know that allowing users to run Windows on a Mac can only help boost Apple’s bottom-line.

New Mac users can only hope that the hints on Intel’s web site about the compatibility layer for EFI pan out in favour of users who want to run Windows and OS X on their shiny new box.

APC is awaiting an official response from Microsoft USA on how Windows XP works with EFI. We’ll update this story when we hear back.

[neoxic]

citação:Originalmente colocada por Taveirada

E aí vem o SO que vou começar a usar... e digo mais... duvido que os macs nao corram o Win... e se correrem... venha um!

Então mas se é para correr windows compra um um vaio por exemplo.
O mac só tem interesse para quem que usar o sistema operativo da apple.

[3com]

Continuo a achar um enjoo a tecnologia x86 [v]
Que cegueira...[xx(]

[jts]

citação:Originalmente colocada por 3com

Continuo a achar um enjoo a tecnologia x86 [v]
Que cegueira...[xx(]

Porque é que dizes isso?
E cegueira de quem? Da Apple não deve ser, porque só agora passar a usar Intel.

E diga-se que os dados das performances dos MacIntel são muito bons [B)]

[3com]

Cegueira de quem controla o mercado, intel e microsoft!

[jts]

São duas coisas diferentes. No caso da Intel, pode ser que passe de novo para a frente com este ataque que está a fazer ao mercado, mas por exemplo os processadores AMD já têm muito boa fama nos PC! Nos singlecore do mercado caseiro são o benchmark.

E ainda não disseste porque te enjoa

[3com]

Porque é tecnologia ultrapassada... há bem melhor por aí!
A instruções são pesadas e podiam ser mais amigas do programador...