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Toro Rosso anuncia Vettel na vaga de Speed
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31/07/2007 - 07:29
Vettel, de 20 anos, confirmado na Toro Rosso no lugar de Scott Speed
Para surpresa de muita gente, a Toro Rosso confirmou nesta terça-feira o alemão Sebastian Vettel no lugar de Scott Speed a partir do GP da Hungria de F-1.
Vettel, que corria regularmente na World Series, ocupava a função de piloto de testes e primeiro reserva da BMW. Disputou o GP dos EUA no lugar de Robert Kubica – que convalescia do forte acidente sofrido dias antes, no Canadá –, marcando um ponto com o oitavo lugar e se tornando o mais jovem estreante a pontuar na F-1.
Curiosamente, o jornal alemão “Bild” publicou no último final de semana que o alemão não conseguiu a vaga por falta de dinheiro. O piloto, inclusive, se lamentou ao próprio periódico no último domingo, dizendo que “assim como um jogador de futebol quer jogar, pilotos querem correr, não olhar".
Já Speed deixa a F-1 após uma passagem bastante conturbada. Durante muitas vezes, o norte-americano foi criticado pelos donos do time por falta de comprometimento e preferência por festas.
O ápice aconteceu na última corrida, em Nürburgring, quando quase foi às vias de fato com o chefe da equipe, Franz Tost, e reclamou publicamente da Toro Rosso para a imprensa nos dias seguintes.
Em duas temporadas, a melhor posição de largada de Speed foi um 11° lugar (China 2006), terminando em duas oportunidades na nona posição (Austrália 2006 e Mônaco 2007).
http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/paginas/grandepremio/materias/446501-447000/446674/446674_1.html
Warm Up
31/07/2007 - 07:29
Vettel, de 20 anos, confirmado na Toro Rosso no lugar de Scott Speed
Para surpresa de muita gente, a Toro Rosso confirmou nesta terça-feira o alemão Sebastian Vettel no lugar de Scott Speed a partir do GP da Hungria de F-1.
Vettel, que corria regularmente na World Series, ocupava a função de piloto de testes e primeiro reserva da BMW. Disputou o GP dos EUA no lugar de Robert Kubica – que convalescia do forte acidente sofrido dias antes, no Canadá –, marcando um ponto com o oitavo lugar e se tornando o mais jovem estreante a pontuar na F-1.
Curiosamente, o jornal alemão “Bild” publicou no último final de semana que o alemão não conseguiu a vaga por falta de dinheiro. O piloto, inclusive, se lamentou ao próprio periódico no último domingo, dizendo que “assim como um jogador de futebol quer jogar, pilotos querem correr, não olhar".
Já Speed deixa a F-1 após uma passagem bastante conturbada. Durante muitas vezes, o norte-americano foi criticado pelos donos do time por falta de comprometimento e preferência por festas.
O ápice aconteceu na última corrida, em Nürburgring, quando quase foi às vias de fato com o chefe da equipe, Franz Tost, e reclamou publicamente da Toro Rosso para a imprensa nos dias seguintes.
Em duas temporadas, a melhor posição de largada de Speed foi um 11° lugar (China 2006), terminando em duas oportunidades na nona posição (Austrália 2006 e Mônaco 2007).
http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/paginas/grandepremio/materias/446501-447000/446674/446674_1.html
Omega
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Tangas .......
Hakkinen: "Ron mantém disputa sob controle"
Warm Up
31/07/2007 - 09:41
Mika Hakkinen, bicampeão pela Mclaren em 98 e 99, afirmou nesta terça (31) que o time inglês está conseguindo manter sobre controle a disputa interna entre Fernando Alonso e Lewis Hamilton.
O finlandês, que recentemente conheceu a dupla durante as filmagens de uma comercial de televisão, revelou que o clima entre os dois pilotos é de rivalidade e acrescentou que a situação o faz lembrar da época em que dividia a equipe de Woking com o escocês David Coulthard.
“Eu tive uma boa conversa com eles (Fernando e Lewis), o que foi muito interessante”, falou Mika. “Me fez lembrar da disputa com David (Coulthard), mas pude sentir também uma certa rivalidade entre eles. O que é bastante normal nestas condições”, completou.
“Para quem vê de fora, pode até achar que é mais que isso. Mas estão trabalhando tão perto e juntos, que a situação se complicada ainda mais”, contou.
Porém, Hakkinen disse que Ron Dennis está sabendo lidar bem com a competitividade dentro no time. “Ron está os direcionando muito bem, dando instruções e conselhos. Ele tem muita experiência nisso, desde de (Alain) Prost e (Niki) Lauda. Acho está usando o máximo de sua sabedoria para manter Alonso e Hamilton sobre controle. E no fim, o melhor irá vencer, é o que vai acontecer”, finalizou.
Após a vitória no GP da Europa, na semana passada, Fernando reduziu sua diferença para o líder, Lewis, para apenas dois pontos no campeonato.
http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/paginas/grandepremio/materias/446501-447000/446686/446686_1.html
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Max Mosley procede à reabertura do caso de espionagem da McLaren
«Mosley agrees to re-open McLaren spy case
FIA president Max Mosley on Tuesday agreed to send the espionage case against McLaren to the governing body's Court of Appeal. Following the written request of Ferrari's national sanctioning organisation, the Automobile Club d'Italia (ACI), Mosley said it was right to further investigate the case because Ferrari had not been allowed to present evidence in last Thursday's hearing of the World Motor Sport Council.
McLaren in Paris was found to be in breach of clause 151c of the International Sporting Code but was not penalised, which in ACI president Luigi Macaluso's view is "quite difficult to justify".
He claimed that "several top team representatives" of McLaren knew about chief designer Mike Coughlan's espionage activities over several months, but that Ferrari had been unable to counter McLaren's defence that no employee besides Coughlan knew about the 780-pages of secret information.
In a written reply to Macaluso, who after the Paris hearing had also verbally questioned the FIA's decision, Mosley said probing the matter further was also important for "public confidence in the outcome".
He wrote: "I will send this matter to the FIA Court of Appeal ... with a request that the Court hear both Ferrari and McLaren and any other Championship competitor who so requests and determine whether the decision of the WMSC was appropriate and, if not substitute such other decision as may be just." »
«Mosley agrees to re-open McLaren spy case
FIA president Max Mosley on Tuesday agreed to send the espionage case against McLaren to the governing body's Court of Appeal. Following the written request of Ferrari's national sanctioning organisation, the Automobile Club d'Italia (ACI), Mosley said it was right to further investigate the case because Ferrari had not been allowed to present evidence in last Thursday's hearing of the World Motor Sport Council.
McLaren in Paris was found to be in breach of clause 151c of the International Sporting Code but was not penalised, which in ACI president Luigi Macaluso's view is "quite difficult to justify".
He claimed that "several top team representatives" of McLaren knew about chief designer Mike Coughlan's espionage activities over several months, but that Ferrari had been unable to counter McLaren's defence that no employee besides Coughlan knew about the 780-pages of secret information.
In a written reply to Macaluso, who after the Paris hearing had also verbally questioned the FIA's decision, Mosley said probing the matter further was also important for "public confidence in the outcome".
He wrote: "I will send this matter to the FIA Court of Appeal ... with a request that the Court hear both Ferrari and McLaren and any other Championship competitor who so requests and determine whether the decision of the WMSC was appropriate and, if not substitute such other decision as may be just." »
Zen
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A cronologia do caso:
«The F1 spy saga timeline
The Formula 1 spy saga now drags on for months. Ferrari accuses Nigel Stepney of ditributing 780 pages of Ferrari designs, diagrams, data and more. McLaren's Coughlan is suspended by the Woking based team because he was in the posession of these materials. Meanwhile Stepney claims Ferrari wages a "dirty tricks campaign" against him. So what actually happened when? Take a look at the timeline.
27 July 2007
Furious Ferrari chiefs indicate that they may appeal the FIA's decision not to penalise McLaren for spying.
26 July 2007
F1's governing body announces that McLaren will not be penalised following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris. A statement, however, revealed that the 26 Council members did find Ron Dennis' outfit guilty of breaching the International Sporting Code for possessing confidential Ferrari information.
20 July 2007
It is reported that Nigel Stepney may also have telephoned and emailed Mike Coughlan with tip-offs about Maranello based Ferrari -- including its moveable floor.
It is a fact that McLaren asked the FIA for a clarification about the underbody rules at the Australian grand prix this season, which resulted in Ferrari having to change the design.
20 July 2007
Stepney's Italian lawyer Sonia Bartolini reveales that Ferrari has turned down her client's request for a meeting with team boss Jean Todt.
18 July 2007
Nigel Stepney requests a meeting with his former boss Jean Todt to clarify his name.
16 July 2007
Mike Coughlan's sworn affidavit details come out: he told several fellow McLaren employees about his possession of reams of secret Ferrari material. "It's true," Coughlan reportedly wrote in his sworn statement. "I had all the designs. "It was my responsibility. I showed those designs to McLaren and not just to (managing director) Jonathan Neale but to others as well. "Everyone reacted the same way and told me to get rid of them."
McLaren reacts the same day, the Woking based team angrily deny Coughlan's alleged admission that he told several fellow McLaren employees about his possession of reams of secret Ferrari material.
12 July 2007
Representatives of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Thursday, July 26, 2007 to answer a charge that between March and July 2007, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, including information that could be used to design, engineer, build, check, test, develop and/or run a 2007 Ferrari Formula One car.
McLaren states: "McLaren is extremely disappointed to note that it has been asked by the FIA to answer a charge of being in possession of certain documents and confidential information belonging to Ferrari."
11 July 2007
Mike Coughlan does not appear in London's High Court on Wednesday after reaching an agreement with Ferrari. The suspended McLaren chief designer will provide a sworn affidavit to Maranello based Ferrari in exchange for the information not being available to prosecutors in Italy.
10 July 2007
Coughlan's case hits the London High Court for a public hearing. Coughlan is officially accused of receiving stolen and secret documents (780 separate pages of confidential team data), and his wife Trudy was also named in court by Ferrari's lawyer for allegedly trying to photocopy the reams of Ferrari information at a commercial copying shop.
09 July 2007
An unnamed 'source in the McLaren team' "reports that Coughlan said he did not know who had sent him the material that had been found. He also said that when he received the material, he had asked one of his superiors - but not Dennis - what he should do with it."
08 July 2007
Nigel Stepney denies allegations that he passed reams of confidential team data to a colleague at McLaren. "I have no idea how Mike Coughlan got the documents and I have no idea what exactly he is supposed to have." He also claims he had to flee Italy with his girlfriend Ash and their one-year-old child.
"There have been high-speed car chases," Stepney revealed. "Ash has been stalked at the house. There was tracking gear on my car. Someone was going to get hurt."
07 July 2007
Max Mosley tells reporters that an FIA investigation into the affair, which is being led by race director Charlie Whiting, is under way. Honda is not part of the investigation.
Max Mosley also dismisses as "wrong" Bernie Ecclestone's claim that the Ferrari-McLaren spy scandal will surely not affect the outcome of the drivers' world championship.
06 July 2007
Honda releases a statement. Honda team principal Nick Fry met with Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan in June. At no point during this meeting was any confidential information offered or received. Nick Fry informed Jean Todt and Ron Dennis of the meeting.
06 July 2007
Honda is being dragged into the Ferrari-McLaren espionage affair. In addition to McLaren, Nigel Stepney had also offered classified team data to his colleagues at the Japanese team, but they turned him down.
05 July 2007
Nigel Stepney is interrogated for more than three hours by Italian police upon returning from a holiday in the Philippines. The sacked Ferrari employee's house near Maranello was raided for a second time.
05 July 2007
Details of the 'package' sent to Coughlan in May come out. "Details about internal structures, operating procedures, engineers, car setup data, race strategy secrets, future developments plans, as well as notes relating to quality control and tests."
05 July 2007
Bernie Ecclestone and sources close to Max Mosley have allayed fears that the Ferrari-McLaren spy scandal could affect the outcome of the drivers' world championship. F1 chief executive Ecclestone, however, warned that if McLaren is found guilty by the newly established FIA investigation, constructors' points could be docked.
04 July 2007
F1's governing body launches an investigation into the spy scandal saga involving Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan.
04 July 2007
A new statement from McLaren reads that "McLaren has completed a thorough investigation and can confirm that no Ferrari intellectual property has been passed to any other members of the team or incorporated into its cars...McLaren has invited the FIA to conduct a full review of its cars..."
04 July 2007
A spokesman for Ferrari said: "We have proof that Stepney had been supplying technical information to a McLaren employee and we found evidence of that fact in his (Coughlan's) home."
03 July 2007
McLaren releases a statement, saying a senior member recieved technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April. Mike Coughlan is suspended.
03 July
Ferrari fires engineering veteran Nigel Stepney, as speculation of sabotage and espionage continues to swell.
02 July 2007
Ferrari makes an application to the High Court in London for the court's assistance.
Early July 2007
Coughlan's home in Surrey (UK) is raided by police, and apparently found incriminating evidence.
24 June 2007
Ferrari's Nigel Stepney breaks his silence and declares that he is the victim of a "dirty tricks campaign" waged by the Italian team.
26 June 2007
It emerges that the internal and police investigation may not be about sabotage, despite reports of a mysterious 'white powder' found in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's car prior to Monaco as well as a major incident recently in the team's wind tunnel. The suggestion is that Ferrari suspects a new case of espionage, involving the selling of information and blueprints to rival teams.
22 June 2007
Ferrari has commenced legal action against its veteran technician Nigel Stepney, the action relates to alleged "illegal" behaviour and will be handled by an Italian court.
22 June 2007
Police raid Stepney's residence near Ferrari's Maranello base on Friday night 22nd of June, seizing several objects including a small container, which could be related to reports that a mysterious white powder was found in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's F2007 in the days before the Monaco GP.
9 June 2007
An agreement was signed to "a better relationship" between McLaren and Ferrari.
27 May 2007, Monaco
An incident prior to the Monaco grand prix when white powder was discovered in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's car and sent to the police.
April 2007
Ron Dennis asks Jean Todt for a meeting to establish a better relationship between the teams.
Early March 2007
McLaren's chief designer obtained in March, prior to the Australian GP, documents from Nigel Stepney. McLaren later states this was in April. »
«The F1 spy saga timeline
The Formula 1 spy saga now drags on for months. Ferrari accuses Nigel Stepney of ditributing 780 pages of Ferrari designs, diagrams, data and more. McLaren's Coughlan is suspended by the Woking based team because he was in the posession of these materials. Meanwhile Stepney claims Ferrari wages a "dirty tricks campaign" against him. So what actually happened when? Take a look at the timeline.
27 July 2007
Furious Ferrari chiefs indicate that they may appeal the FIA's decision not to penalise McLaren for spying.
26 July 2007
F1's governing body announces that McLaren will not be penalised following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris. A statement, however, revealed that the 26 Council members did find Ron Dennis' outfit guilty of breaching the International Sporting Code for possessing confidential Ferrari information.
20 July 2007
It is reported that Nigel Stepney may also have telephoned and emailed Mike Coughlan with tip-offs about Maranello based Ferrari -- including its moveable floor.
It is a fact that McLaren asked the FIA for a clarification about the underbody rules at the Australian grand prix this season, which resulted in Ferrari having to change the design.
20 July 2007
Stepney's Italian lawyer Sonia Bartolini reveales that Ferrari has turned down her client's request for a meeting with team boss Jean Todt.
18 July 2007
Nigel Stepney requests a meeting with his former boss Jean Todt to clarify his name.
16 July 2007
Mike Coughlan's sworn affidavit details come out: he told several fellow McLaren employees about his possession of reams of secret Ferrari material. "It's true," Coughlan reportedly wrote in his sworn statement. "I had all the designs. "It was my responsibility. I showed those designs to McLaren and not just to (managing director) Jonathan Neale but to others as well. "Everyone reacted the same way and told me to get rid of them."
McLaren reacts the same day, the Woking based team angrily deny Coughlan's alleged admission that he told several fellow McLaren employees about his possession of reams of secret Ferrari material.
12 July 2007
Representatives of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Thursday, July 26, 2007 to answer a charge that between March and July 2007, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, including information that could be used to design, engineer, build, check, test, develop and/or run a 2007 Ferrari Formula One car.
McLaren states: "McLaren is extremely disappointed to note that it has been asked by the FIA to answer a charge of being in possession of certain documents and confidential information belonging to Ferrari."
11 July 2007
Mike Coughlan does not appear in London's High Court on Wednesday after reaching an agreement with Ferrari. The suspended McLaren chief designer will provide a sworn affidavit to Maranello based Ferrari in exchange for the information not being available to prosecutors in Italy.
10 July 2007
Coughlan's case hits the London High Court for a public hearing. Coughlan is officially accused of receiving stolen and secret documents (780 separate pages of confidential team data), and his wife Trudy was also named in court by Ferrari's lawyer for allegedly trying to photocopy the reams of Ferrari information at a commercial copying shop.
09 July 2007
An unnamed 'source in the McLaren team' "reports that Coughlan said he did not know who had sent him the material that had been found. He also said that when he received the material, he had asked one of his superiors - but not Dennis - what he should do with it."
08 July 2007
Nigel Stepney denies allegations that he passed reams of confidential team data to a colleague at McLaren. "I have no idea how Mike Coughlan got the documents and I have no idea what exactly he is supposed to have." He also claims he had to flee Italy with his girlfriend Ash and their one-year-old child.
"There have been high-speed car chases," Stepney revealed. "Ash has been stalked at the house. There was tracking gear on my car. Someone was going to get hurt."
07 July 2007
Max Mosley tells reporters that an FIA investigation into the affair, which is being led by race director Charlie Whiting, is under way. Honda is not part of the investigation.
Max Mosley also dismisses as "wrong" Bernie Ecclestone's claim that the Ferrari-McLaren spy scandal will surely not affect the outcome of the drivers' world championship.
06 July 2007
Honda releases a statement. Honda team principal Nick Fry met with Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan in June. At no point during this meeting was any confidential information offered or received. Nick Fry informed Jean Todt and Ron Dennis of the meeting.
06 July 2007
Honda is being dragged into the Ferrari-McLaren espionage affair. In addition to McLaren, Nigel Stepney had also offered classified team data to his colleagues at the Japanese team, but they turned him down.
05 July 2007
Nigel Stepney is interrogated for more than three hours by Italian police upon returning from a holiday in the Philippines. The sacked Ferrari employee's house near Maranello was raided for a second time.
05 July 2007
Details of the 'package' sent to Coughlan in May come out. "Details about internal structures, operating procedures, engineers, car setup data, race strategy secrets, future developments plans, as well as notes relating to quality control and tests."
05 July 2007
Bernie Ecclestone and sources close to Max Mosley have allayed fears that the Ferrari-McLaren spy scandal could affect the outcome of the drivers' world championship. F1 chief executive Ecclestone, however, warned that if McLaren is found guilty by the newly established FIA investigation, constructors' points could be docked.
04 July 2007
F1's governing body launches an investigation into the spy scandal saga involving Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan.
04 July 2007
A new statement from McLaren reads that "McLaren has completed a thorough investigation and can confirm that no Ferrari intellectual property has been passed to any other members of the team or incorporated into its cars...McLaren has invited the FIA to conduct a full review of its cars..."
04 July 2007
A spokesman for Ferrari said: "We have proof that Stepney had been supplying technical information to a McLaren employee and we found evidence of that fact in his (Coughlan's) home."
03 July 2007
McLaren releases a statement, saying a senior member recieved technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April. Mike Coughlan is suspended.
03 July
Ferrari fires engineering veteran Nigel Stepney, as speculation of sabotage and espionage continues to swell.
02 July 2007
Ferrari makes an application to the High Court in London for the court's assistance.
Early July 2007
Coughlan's home in Surrey (UK) is raided by police, and apparently found incriminating evidence.
24 June 2007
Ferrari's Nigel Stepney breaks his silence and declares that he is the victim of a "dirty tricks campaign" waged by the Italian team.
26 June 2007
It emerges that the internal and police investigation may not be about sabotage, despite reports of a mysterious 'white powder' found in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's car prior to Monaco as well as a major incident recently in the team's wind tunnel. The suggestion is that Ferrari suspects a new case of espionage, involving the selling of information and blueprints to rival teams.
22 June 2007
Ferrari has commenced legal action against its veteran technician Nigel Stepney, the action relates to alleged "illegal" behaviour and will be handled by an Italian court.
22 June 2007
Police raid Stepney's residence near Ferrari's Maranello base on Friday night 22nd of June, seizing several objects including a small container, which could be related to reports that a mysterious white powder was found in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's F2007 in the days before the Monaco GP.
9 June 2007
An agreement was signed to "a better relationship" between McLaren and Ferrari.
27 May 2007, Monaco
An incident prior to the Monaco grand prix when white powder was discovered in the fuel tank of Felipe Massa's car and sent to the police.
April 2007
Ron Dennis asks Jean Todt for a meeting to establish a better relationship between the teams.
Early March 2007
McLaren's chief designer obtained in March, prior to the Australian GP, documents from Nigel Stepney. McLaren later states this was in April. »
Zen
Banido
Isto não é espionagem!
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=forumGal&galleryID=712&pgID=1&pID=632999 
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=forumGal&galleryID=712&pgID=1&pID=632999
Omega
Well-known member
Por falar em Schumacher .....oiçam bem as palavras dele....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGl2aXKiReQ
:sh)
TURBO
Suspenso
Ou seja nâo foi o 1º a fazê-lo nem de certeza que será o último a fzê-lo também.
Omega
Well-known member
Massa/Alonso - GP Europa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwK0PFK5hI
Reparem nas trajectórias de cada um ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwK0PFK5hI
Reparem nas trajectórias de cada um ....
SilverArrow
Moderador
Eu nunca escondi essa manobra do MS, está a vista de todos. Mas ele ai foca o que sempre disse, e o Senna? Já não conta?
SilverArrow
Moderador
Não vejo nada de estranho.
O Alonso está a seguir "by the book" a condução a chuva, trajectórias por fora. É uma técnica que se aprende nos kart's e que a maior parte dos pilotos usa!
O Massa vai "a rasca" ou por não ter carro ou mãozinhas para a chuva! Por isso vai a proteger em todas as curvas e nas rectas!
Não conhecia estas declarações, muito elucidativas. Também o Senna reconheceu tempos mais tarde ter mandado o Prost fora de propósito, se bem que neste caso do Senna tenha sido tão evidente que não havia dúvida possível, como bem se vê nas imagens.
Já aqui o disse, foram certamente grandes pilotos, talvez os melhores de sempre em rapidez, mas não lhes reconheço estatuto moral para os considerar campeões. Algumas das manobras que protagonizaram deveriam ter dado irradiação da modalidade.
Enfim, águas passadas que esperemos não voltem a encarnar em ninguém.
Já aqui o disse, foram certamente grandes pilotos, talvez os melhores de sempre em rapidez, mas não lhes reconheço estatuto moral para os considerar campeões. Algumas das manobras que protagonizaram deveriam ter dado irradiação da modalidade.
Enfim, águas passadas que esperemos não voltem a encarnar em ninguém.
Não consigo ver o "toque" entre os dois...
Drachen
New member
Por acaso, sempre achei que naquele incidente entre o MS e o Villeneuve, o Schumacher foi bem burro por ter atirado o carro para cima do Villeneuve. Se repararem com atenção, o Villeneuve trava tarde de mais...se o Schumacher travasse mais cedo e cortasse por dentro ganhava a posição. Reparem bem na camera on bord do Schumi...ele quando vira o volante e atira o carro para cima do Villeneuve está na trajectória normal...o Villeneuve ia acabar por ir em frente.
Quanto ao Schumi, sem dúvida que teve muitas manobras tristes, mas ainda não percebi lá muito bem porque vem sempre à baila o nome do Senna. Tirando esse GP de Suzuka que ele manda o Ferrari de Prost para fora de propósito (como ele próprio admitiu), acho que tem mais razão de queixa o Senna do Prost (principalmente pelas jogadas de bastidores) do que o contrário.
Quanto ao Schumi, sem dúvida que teve muitas manobras tristes, mas ainda não percebi lá muito bem porque vem sempre à baila o nome do Senna. Tirando esse GP de Suzuka que ele manda o Ferrari de Prost para fora de propósito (como ele próprio admitiu), acho que tem mais razão de queixa o Senna do Prost (principalmente pelas jogadas de bastidores) do que o contrário.
SilverArrow
Moderador
E quais são essas tais "muitas manobras tristes" ?
Casos concreto há a do Villeneuve.
A Do Hill a mim ainda não me convenceram.
E então sobram quais?
Casos concreto há a do Villeneuve.
A Do Hill a mim ainda não me convenceram.
E então sobram quais?
LuisCapelo
New member
fingir que não consegue fazer uma curva para impedir que o alonso lhe tire a pole position no mónaco.
SilverArrow
Moderador
Tens razão. Não me lembrei dessa!
E há mais?
E há mais?
LuisCapelo
New member
há muitas, e haveria muitas mais, não fosse o domínio exercido pela ferrari. durante uns anitos não precisou de fazer asneiras, só precisou de prejudicar os colegas de equipa para benefício próprio.
SilverArrow
Moderador
Eu sei que há algumas, só as queria contabilizar para sabermos ao certo que há e quais são!
Pq senão é sempre a mesma treta... Um gajo faz asneira e vem logo alguém dizer que o MS já fez pior.
O que dizes do domínio da ferrari ter amenizado é bem verdade.
Mas o MS nunca prejudicou colegas de equipa para benefício próprio, quem o fez foi a equipa. E tb por diversas vezes o MS retribuiu o favor!
LuisCapelo
New member
sim sim, ele nunca prejudicou ninguém, foi sempre a equipa... [
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