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Pesquisei e não encontrei nenhum tópico sobre supermáquinas (existe tópicos por marca, e mais por modelo mas nada sobre a categoria).

A ideia é discutir supercarros mas evitar hypercarros: Koenigsegg com produção de 80 viaturas, 911 exclusive com 500 unidades etc estão fora.

Sem focar na perspectiva financeira (a Ferrari oferece 7 anos de manutenção actualmente o que ajuda) a ideia é debater estas viaturas e qual escolhiam.

O que me levou a abrir este topico é o artigo da carbuyer (eu prometo traduzir logo a noite).
 
[h=1]The best supercars money can buy[/h]
been high-performance showcases for the best manufacturers and rather expensive toys for the richest of car enthusiasts. Today, the technical and performance elements remain, but with a modern twist: the vast majority are designed to be used every day if needed.
‘Supercar’ is a broad term that has come to describe a range of high-performance vehicles; from hugely powerful grand tourers to mid-engined racing cars for the road, there are plenty of high-end machines that could qualify for inclusion in this list of the best. Here, we’ve brought together some of the fastest, most accelerative and exclusive cars on sale today, all of which could be used every day if you’re lucky enough to be able to afford their six-figure prices and sizeable running costs.
We’ve deliberately avoided hypercars – a category that exists on an entirely separate plane of power, exclusivity and price. For our money, each of the following is almost as fast, far more attainable and still deeply special.
[h=3]McLaren 720S[/h]It’s one of the newest cars on this list and also one of the fastest: the McLaren 720S does 0-62mph in just 2.9 seconds, 0-124mph in 7.8 seconds and its top speed is 212mph. It offers performance that can humble some of the fastest cars from the class above, yet it remains comfortable and useable in everyday motoring – a duality that McLaren brings to all its cars.
The 720S ticks all the other boxes, too. Its dramatic styling incorporates all manner of aerodynamic aids and weight-saving touches, as well all-important wing-like ‘dihedral’ doors. The interior is covered in Alcantara and carbon fibre – the accepted combination for the raciest of supercars. It all combines to create a real sense of occasion that’s hard to match.
It’s one of the most exciting cars here, but the McLaren 720S is also one of the most useable. As in other McLarens, there are great seats that give you a fantastic driving position, which, when paired with the deliberately low dashboard and large glass area, make for a car that’s surprisingly easy to drive. The clever active suspension can be adjusted to offer a very comfortable ride and the car will even do around 22mpg – not bad for a 710bhp twin-turbocharged V8!



[h=3]Ferrari 488 GTB[/h]The successor to the legendary Ferrari 458 Italia, the 488 GTB is better in almost every measurable way. Some might miss the bellow of the 458’s 4.5-litre V8 engine, as the new 3.9-litre V8’s turbochargers mute the roar, but one prod of the accelerator will convince you of its greatness.
Its three second 0-62mph time is fearsome, but the way the car behaves in corners is not. At speed, the car’s balance means it can corner very hard, and very, very fast, in a way that’s not at all intimidating.
While the interior of the McLaren is all very minimalist, the Ferrari 488 GTB feels as complicated as Sebastian Vettel’s F1 car with buttons where you’d expect stalk controls. There’s one very good reason for this: it means the space around the gearshift paddles is uncluttered, which is something you’ll appreciate when you’re focusing on driving.
There are two even bigger reasons why you’d choose a 488 GTB; because it looks stunning and carries the most evocative badge in the business. That it’s an exceptional car is almost a bonus.
[h=3]Porsche 911 Turbo S[/h]The other cars in this list look and feel very exotic, but the Porsche 911 Turbo S is based on the standard 911 – itself a relatively common sight on the road.
Understatement isn’t likely to be top of a typical supercar buyer’s list, but in this company that’s exactly what the 911 Turbo S offers. To the untrained eye, it doesn’t look too different to a standard 911 Carrera, but enthusiasts will love the wider bodywork, bigger wheels and extra vents.
They’ll also love the 3.8-litre engine, which in the Turbo produces an incredible 572bhp. That translates to 0-62mph in 2.9 seconds and – thanks to huge reserves of low-down power – warp-speed overtaking ability. The Turbo S is intended as comfortable yet devastatingly quick grand tourer with a supercar-like edge, and that’s exactly what it delivers, all wrapped up in a fairly unassuming (and practical) body.
It might not be the most involving car to drive on this list, but the 911 Turbo S is certainly one of the fastest in point-to-point terms; four-wheel drive, huge reserves of grip and traction, Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) and a slick PDK automatic gearbox all combine make the Turbo S a truly effortless car to drive quickly.
[h=3]Ferrari 812 Superfast[/h]The latest in a long line of front-engined V12 Ferraris, the 812 Superfast is as potent as its name suggests. Its 6.5-litre engine – which sits roughly in the middle of the car for weight distribution reasons – produces an incredible 789bhp and almost revs out to 9,000rpm. Needless to say, it sounds fantastic – unlike so many cars on this list, the 812 doesn’t have any turbochargers to stifle its bark.
It really is ‘super fast’, too, with a 0-62mph time of 2.9 seconds and 0-124mph taking just 7.9 seconds. It’ll accelerate all the way up to 211mph – although it’s unlikely many owners will find space to make the most of the Superfast’s top speed.
Continuing a modern Ferrari trend, the 812 Superfast is bristling with technology that makes even this fearsomely powerful supercar a doddle to drive at normal speeds. Push harder and the 812 demands respect, but it’s far more forgiving than you’d expect such a powerful car to be. Rear-wheel steering and fast, accurate steering help make the car feel light and agile, while its suspension can be made as soft or aggressive as your mood demands.
The 812’s interior is as modern and well finished as any other Ferrari’s, with titanium air vents, luxurious leather and an optional readout screen for the passenger side all helping make it feel worthy of the car’s huge price tag. At well over £250,000, the 812 Superfast is the most expensive cars here, but it’s also one of the very best of the breed.
 
[h=3]Audi R8[/h]The Audi R8 is among the handful of cars here that you could realistically drive everyday. Now in its second generation, the years have dulled the R8’s visual impact – you might even call it understated – but there’s no doubting its depth of ability.
You can choose from two versions of a 5.2-litre V10 developing 533 or 602bhp. Before anyone dismisses the R8 as a big, expensive Audi TT, remember that the R8’s engine is also fitted in the Lamborghini Huracan.
There’s no manual gearbox available, but the seven-speed automatic gearbox offers super-quick shifts. The R8 has a four-wheel drive system that can send power to the front or rear wheels as required, making it easy to drive very quickly indeed. At higher speed, you’ll be grateful for the sharp steering and taut chassis, which help keep the car stable.
Inside, the R8 couldn’t be further removed from the complexity of the Ferraris on this list; many of the controls will be familiar to anyone who’s recently driven an Audi A3 or Audi A4.
[h=3]Ford GT[/h]Ford is a manufacturer synonymous with everyday cars but not so much with supercars. It’s worth remembering that its original supercar, the GT40, won the Le Mans 24-hour race four times in succession in the 1960s. In 2005, the Ford GT was introduced as homage to the original, and in 2016 the latest version was launched 50 years after that original Le Mans victory.
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There’s no doubting the new Ford GT’s credentials. It’s constructed from lightweight carbon fibre and is powered by a 3.5-litre EcoBoost engine – from the same family as the 1.0-litre three-cylinder engine you’ll find in a Ford Fiesta. Admittedly no one outside of Ford has driven the 2018 Ford GT yet, but with the initial two-year production run being doubled to four, there are no shortage of buyers agreeing with us that it is one of the year’s most exciting cars.
What we do know is that it looks sensational, with active aerodynamics, suspension inspired by race cars and dihedral lifting doors. It’s unlikely to disappoint.
[h=3]Mercedes-AMG GT R[/h]Taking a car that’s already very quick and making it faster and more track-focused is a common recipe for supercar success. The Mercedes-AMG GT R is a prime example of the breed, taking the standard GT and adding more power, racier bodywork and a sharper, track-optimised driving experience. The result is a car that looks like it belongs on the starting grid of Le Mans.
It sounds the part, too, with an uprated titanium exhaust system that emits a trademark AMG rumble, as well as playing a part in the power increase from 515bhp in the GT S model to 577 in the GTR. The twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8 is a brutish engine that suits the GT R’s racey character perfectly.
If you like to unleash your six-figure supercar at trackdays, the Mercedes-AMG GT R is a great alternative to the more obvious choices like the Porsche 911 GT3. It’s not a bad road car, either – adjustable suspension and traction control mean that the car can be configured to suit your mood or the road at hand.
Remarkably, the GT R actually rides better than the standard car, even in its most extreme setting. It may be a hard-edged supercar built by AMG for the track, but this is still a Mercedes at heart – useable, high-quality and very well built.
Read on to discover the rest of the world's best supercars, including models from BMW, Lamborghini and Honda.
 
[h=3]BMW i8[/h]
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The BMW i8 doesn’t look like a car that went on sale 2014. It wouldn’t look out of place in a new car showroom in 2024, such are those space-age looks. The collection of curves, sharp angles and those upward-opening doors look unlike anything else on the road.
Yet that’s not the most impressive thing about it. Nor is it the clever and environmentally friendly way that the carbon fibre used in the i8 is created. It’s the fact that this is a plug-in hybrid car.
It just happens to be an extremely fast one.
Under the bonnet sits a 1.5-litre petrol engine from a MINI, but it’s joined by an electric motor. Because the motors give instant power, it’ll accelerate from 0-62mph in just 4.4 seconds. Drive it carefully, and it’ll drive using electricity alone for up to 22 miles. BMW claims fuel economy of 134.5mpg and CO2 emissions of just 49g/km. Supercars don’t come much more striking, frugal or kinder to the environment.
[h=3]Lamborghini Huracan[/h]Critics say the Lamborghini Huracan doesn’t look as wild as a Lambo ought to, but it’s certainly the most usable car the firm has ever made. That’s because it shares much of its DNA with the Audi R8, the best ‘everyday supercar’.
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It loses little of its visceral appeal as a result. Its 5.2-litre V10 isn’t short on drama or power. With 572bhp in the rear-wheel-drive LP580-2 or 602bhp in the four-wheel-drive LP610-4, acceleration is in the low three-second range.
It’s cheaper to run than the Lamborghini Gallardo it replaced, but much of the kit you’d expect from a £180,000 supercar is optional – including parking sensors, sat nav and Bluetooth.
That’s missing the point, though. The Huracan is designed to be theatrical, and with all that power, sharp styling and a clever four-wheel drive system, it is exactly that.
[h=3]Honda NSX[/h]The Honda NSX shares its name with a mid-engined supercar that first arrived in 1990. That car was famous not only for the part that the late, great Ayrton Senna played in its development, but also for its genuine day-to-day usability.
Today’s all-new NSX takes a few points of reference from the old car – mid-mounted V6 engine, comfortable interior, striking looks – but adapts them to suit the 21st century. A far cry from the 276bhp of the original, the new car’s 3.5-litre engine produces 573bhp with help from two turbochargers and three electric motors. You can even travel entirely on electric power in Quiet mode for short periods of time, or let the car’s performance loose in Sport, Sport+ and Track modes via a nine-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox.
The NSX is a relatively heavy car thanks to all that technology, but it does well to hide it – not least because it’s very fast and feels light on its feet from behind the wheel. The 0-62mph sprint takes around three seconds and you’ll accelerate on to a top speed of 191mph if you have a closed runway or racetrack to play on.
Four-wheel drive means you’ll never be left wanting for grip in corners or traction off the line; you’ll be thankful for its inclusion when the weather turns, too. The NSX is a supercar that’s aimed squarely at its most usable rivals like the Audi R8; despite its supercar credentials and advanced technology, the NSX could easily be used every day – exactly as a Honda should.
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sgtscales said:
Um carro com um 1.5 3cil é um supercarro... sure [:D]
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3 cilindros é para meninos.
Aos 18 anos tive este hipercarro de 4 cilindros! Grande máquina! [:D]

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Topgear:

That's right, BMW has made the world's first and only petrol-electric hybrid supercar. It's about as far from the usual BMW template as you can get. The engine is a tiny 1.5-litre turbo three-cylinder, mounted transversely ahead of the rear wheels

Put to rest any doubts you may have. It’s radical and other-worldly but the BMW i8 works like a charm as a sports car. You’d almost never believe it was an eco-chomping hybrid, doing an amazing impression of a 340bhp straight six rather than a little turbo triple (although synthesised, the noise is surprisingly convincing). It doesn’t quite feel 911-fast, despite a 4.4-second 0-62mph time, because high-rev drama and violence is lacking. But it’s still ruddy quick, and traction is fantastic.

Cornering is equally wonderful, despite the mish-mash of power sources and options for front and rear axles.


Parece um supercarro :).
 
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E concluem assim:

All things considered, the post-grant list price of £99k is an absolute bargain. This is a supercar from the future that out-headturns a Ferrari and is more appealing to drive and own than an Audi R8
 
Pode ser um carro rápido e com excelente comportamento. E é aliás uma montra daquilo que o futuro nos reserva. Mas não é um supercarro... isso normalmente tem motores grandes, V8 turbo ou V10 ou V12, fazem imenso barulho e chamam à atenção na rua pelo visual arrojado e pelo som (real) que sai do escape. Um supercarro é aquele carro que um miúdo com 9 ou 10 anos olha e pensa "UAU". Nenhum miúdo vai pensar isso de um i8.
 
Um supercarro tem de ter um desempenho a condizer. O i8 nem consegue acompanhar um Cayman quanto mais chegar perto de um 911...

Não considero um 911 normal um supercarro.

sgtscales said:
Pode ser um carro rápido e com excelente comportamento. E é aliás uma montra daquilo que o futuro nos reserva. Mas não é um supercarro... isso normalmente tem motores grandes, V8 turbo ou V10 ou V12, fazem imenso barulho e chamam à atenção na rua pelo visual arrojado e pelo som (real) que sai do escape. Um supercarro é aquele carro que um miúdo com 9 ou 10 anos olha e pensa "UAU". Nenhum miúdo vai pensar isso de um i8.
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Hoje em dia com o downsizing e afins isso pode não ser 100% verdade.

Por exemplo, o novo hipercarro da AMG(Project One) tem um motor 1.6l derivado da F1. Mas lá está, é um motor muito especial e avançado tecnologicamente. 11.000RPM e 1000cv+. E o carro vai ser bom dinamicamente.

A única coisa que o i8 tem de supercarro é o seu design arrojado. Mecanicamente, é uma desilusão.
 
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Eu discordo. Eu penso que um supercarro é a emoçao que te da.
Nem toda ou diria mesmo pouquissima (é como os SUV e criticar as capacidades off road ) vai para 1 track com o carro.

Para o dia a dia e montanhas percebo um i8 ultrapassar um r8 em prazer como diz a topgear.

Quem sabe de racing sabe que se falarmos de prestacoes pura um V8 sera quase sempre melhor que um V12. Dai a koenigsegg usar um v8 como base.

No entanto vejo muita gente aqui com a teoria do: Um CD nao tem a harmonia de 1 vinil...ok aceito.

Mas um i8 nao faz apenas os miudos olhar..perguntam..mae é o batman que vem ai? Ja ouvi parecido srmpre que passa um i8.
 
A emoção é um sentimento que difere bastante de pessoa para pessoa.

Um Supercarro tem de ser um carro especial com potência(~500cv+)/desempenho/design/tecnologia/preço acima da média. O i8 tem prestações "banais". É mais lento que um Cayman.
Costumam classificar o i8 como um Superdesportivo. Assim como os M3/M4/C63AMG/F-TypeV6/911 normal e afins.
 
topspeedPT said:
A emoção é um sentimento que difere bastante de pessoa para pessoa.

Um Supercarro tem de ser um carro especial com potência(~500cv+)/desempenho/design/tecnologia/preço acima da média. O i8 tem prestações "banais". É mais lento que um Cayman.
Costumam classificar o i8 como um Superdesportivo. Assim como os M3/M4/C63AMG/F-TypeV6/911 normal e afins.
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On point.

911 Turbo, 488 - Supercarro
M3/C AMG/911 4S - Desportivo
Renault Megane RS - nem um nem outro [:D]
 
topspeedPT said:
Um supercarro tem de ter um desempenho a condizer. O i8 nem consegue acompanhar um Cayman quanto mais chegar perto de um 911...

Não considero um 911 normal um supercarro.



Hoje em dia com o downsizing e afins isso pode não ser 100% verdade.

Por exemplo, o novo hipercarro da AMG(Project One) tem um motor 1.6l derivado da F1. Mas lá está, é um motor muito especial e avançado tecnologicamente. 11.000RPM e 1000cv+. E o carro vai ser bom dinamicamente.

A única coisa que o i8 tem de supercarro é o seu design arrojado. Mecanicamente, é uma desilusão.
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Mas 11000rpm serão qualquer coisa digna de se ouvir, tenha o motor o tamanho e cilindros que tenha. Sempre adorei os V10 de 3l da F1 a fazer 17 ou 18 mil rpm...
 
BMW M4 is less fun than i8:

Agora imaginem quando vier o i8 2018 (4 anos em hibridos e como 20 anos em combustao):



De um forum:

of course, most people won't buy it to track, and when i had the opportunity to street the i8 for a week, i was well and truly impressed. so much grip! and that from such thin tires. the sound was almost cool enough to make you forget that it was synthesized through the stereo (though it gets awful repetitive). and the car is so comfortable and space-aged once you get in — i think the iDrive system is the best on the market — that you feel somehow drenched in luxury even though the cabin is fairly spartan. i really considered buying one myself. but at the end of the day it was a little too expensive, with a wait list too long and a seating position too low. i went with the 911 instead. sounds like a beast and daily drives like a champ, not as grippy in RWD though...
 
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topspeedPT said:
A emoção é um sentimento que difere bastante de pessoa para pessoa.

Um Supercarro tem de ser um carro especial com potência(~500cv+)/desempenho/design/tecnologia/preço acima da média. O i8 tem prestações "banais". É mais lento que um Cayman.
Costumam classificar o i8 como um Superdesportivo. Assim como os M3/M4/C63AMG/F-TypeV6/911 normal e afins.
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Eu penso que a constar nesta lista é pelo impacto que teve. Em Zurique um i8 impressiona muito mais que um Ferrari. Pouca gente (Excepto people como alguns entusiastas do forum autohoje) se viram quando vêem um Ferrari. É um carro que ronca (na visao de muita gente).

O i8 tem aquele design e sendo electrico tem impacto. Muita gente se intriga quao bom é aquele veiculo.

E agora com o i8 roadster vai ser a mesma coisa. Em 2014 o tesla tinha P85 e hoje tem o P100D ludricious. O i8 roadster vai ser um killer
 
Superfast said:
BMW M4 is less fun than i8:

Agora imaginem quando vier o i8 2018 (4 anos em hibridos e como 20 anos em combustao):



De um forum:

of course, most people won't buy it to track, and when i had the opportunity to street the i8 for a week, i was well and truly impressed. so much grip! and that from such thin tires. the sound was almost cool enough to make you forget that it was synthesized through the stereo (though it gets awful repetitive). and the car is so comfortable and space-aged once you get in — i think the iDrive system is the best on the market — that you feel somehow drenched in luxury even though the cabin is fairly spartan. i really considered buying one myself. but at the end of the day it was a little too expensive, with a wait list too long and a seating position too low. i went with the 911 instead. sounds like a beast and daily drives like a champ, not as grippy in RWD though...
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M4 is never less fun than an i8.
 
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