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Veloce
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Opinião do Jeremy Clarkson sobe o Alfa GT:
Allow me to explain. For all its good looks and impressive specification, the GT isn’t that great to drive. Its engine may have decent power but it will only get the GT to 62mph in 8.7sec and on to 134mph — figures you could eclipse with a Mini Cooper S, saving yourself about £6,000 and having more fun in the process. The high-power version of the Mazda RX-8 costs just £605 more than the Alfa, has four doors and six gears instead of two and five respectively, and will hit 62mph in 6.4sec en route to 146mph.
These, of course, are bald figures, but the subjective assessment does little to improve the score. The engine is smooth and willing to rev to 7000rpm, but it does not have the character of the 2 litre Alfas of old, not even of the fizzy little 1.5 unit in Dad’s ancient Alfasud. Mazda’s silken Wankel engine, on the other hand, will hit an astonishing 9000rpm with a fine accompanying sound.
All of which would be forgivable if the GT made up in cornering what it lacks in straight-line shove, but it doesn’t. There is commendable grip but ultimately no disguising the fact that this is a front-wheel-drive car, based heavily on the ageing platform of the 156 saloon. The best-handling coupés at this price — be they BMW, Mazda or Nissan’s compelling two-seat-only 350Z — are all rear-wheel drive. Push them hard and you’ll see why. The GT steers precisely, but its helm lacks feel, and the often jarring ride quality is disappointing to say the least.
And that’s my biggest problem with the car. For all its good looks and its smart, practical cabin, it fails at the one job at which every Alfa should excel: providing an entertaining drive. By all means buy the Alfa GT because you love its looks or the badge, or both, but if what you really want is an Alfa to deliver on the promise of those looks, your wait, I am afraid, will continue.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1134192,00.html
Allow me to explain. For all its good looks and impressive specification, the GT isn’t that great to drive. Its engine may have decent power but it will only get the GT to 62mph in 8.7sec and on to 134mph — figures you could eclipse with a Mini Cooper S, saving yourself about £6,000 and having more fun in the process. The high-power version of the Mazda RX-8 costs just £605 more than the Alfa, has four doors and six gears instead of two and five respectively, and will hit 62mph in 6.4sec en route to 146mph.
These, of course, are bald figures, but the subjective assessment does little to improve the score. The engine is smooth and willing to rev to 7000rpm, but it does not have the character of the 2 litre Alfas of old, not even of the fizzy little 1.5 unit in Dad’s ancient Alfasud. Mazda’s silken Wankel engine, on the other hand, will hit an astonishing 9000rpm with a fine accompanying sound.
All of which would be forgivable if the GT made up in cornering what it lacks in straight-line shove, but it doesn’t. There is commendable grip but ultimately no disguising the fact that this is a front-wheel-drive car, based heavily on the ageing platform of the 156 saloon. The best-handling coupés at this price — be they BMW, Mazda or Nissan’s compelling two-seat-only 350Z — are all rear-wheel drive. Push them hard and you’ll see why. The GT steers precisely, but its helm lacks feel, and the often jarring ride quality is disappointing to say the least.
And that’s my biggest problem with the car. For all its good looks and its smart, practical cabin, it fails at the one job at which every Alfa should excel: providing an entertaining drive. By all means buy the Alfa GT because you love its looks or the badge, or both, but if what you really want is an Alfa to deliver on the promise of those looks, your wait, I am afraid, will continue.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1134192,00.html
Dias
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Veloce
Opinião do Jeremy Clarkson sobe o Alfa GT:
Allow me to explain. For all its good looks and impressive specification, the GT isn’t that great to drive. Its engine may have decent power but it will only get the GT to 62mph in 8.7sec and on to 134mph — figures you could eclipse with a Mini Cooper S, saving yourself about £6,000 and having more fun in the process. The high-power version of the Mazda RX-8 costs just £605 more than the Alfa, has four doors and six gears instead of two and five respectively, and will hit 62mph in 6.4sec en route to 146mph.
These, of course, are bald figures, but the subjective assessment does little to improve the score. The engine is smooth and willing to rev to 7000rpm, but it does not have the character of the 2 litre Alfas of old, not even of the fizzy little 1.5 unit in Dad’s ancient Alfasud. Mazda’s silken Wankel engine, on the other hand, will hit an astonishing 9000rpm with a fine accompanying sound.
All of which would be forgivable if the GT made up in cornering what it lacks in straight-line shove, but it doesn’t. There is commendable grip but ultimately no disguising the fact that this is a front-wheel-drive car, based heavily on the ageing platform of the 156 saloon. The best-handling coupés at this price — be they BMW, Mazda or Nissan’s compelling two-seat-only 350Z — are all rear-wheel drive. Push them hard and you’ll see why. The GT steers precisely, but its helm lacks feel, and the often jarring ride quality is disappointing to say the least.
And that’s my biggest problem with the car. For all its good looks and its smart, practical cabin, it fails at the one job at which every Alfa should excel: providing an entertaining drive. By all means buy the Alfa GT because you love its looks or the badge, or both, but if what you really want is an Alfa to deliver on the promise of those looks, your wait, I am afraid, will continue.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1134192,00.html
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Dias
citação:Originalmente colocada por Veloce
Opinião do Jeremy Clarkson sobe o Alfa GT:
Allow me to explain. For all its good looks and impressive specification, the GT isn’t that great to drive. Its engine may have decent power but it will only get the GT to 62mph in 8.7sec and on to 134mph — figures you could eclipse with a Mini Cooper S, saving yourself about £6,000 and having more fun in the process. The high-power version of the Mazda RX-8 costs just £605 more than the Alfa, has four doors and six gears instead of two and five respectively, and will hit 62mph in 6.4sec en route to 146mph.
These, of course, are bald figures, but the subjective assessment does little to improve the score. The engine is smooth and willing to rev to 7000rpm, but it does not have the character of the 2 litre Alfas of old, not even of the fizzy little 1.5 unit in Dad’s ancient Alfasud. Mazda’s silken Wankel engine, on the other hand, will hit an astonishing 9000rpm with a fine accompanying sound.
All of which would be forgivable if the GT made up in cornering what it lacks in straight-line shove, but it doesn’t. There is commendable grip but ultimately no disguising the fact that this is a front-wheel-drive car, based heavily on the ageing platform of the 156 saloon. The best-handling coupés at this price — be they BMW, Mazda or Nissan’s compelling two-seat-only 350Z — are all rear-wheel drive. Push them hard and you’ll see why. The GT steers precisely, but its helm lacks feel, and the often jarring ride quality is disappointing to say the least.
And that’s my biggest problem with the car. For all its good looks and its smart, practical cabin, it fails at the one job at which every Alfa should excel: providing an entertaining drive. By all means buy the Alfa GT because you love its looks or the badge, or both, but if what you really want is an Alfa to deliver on the promise of those looks, your wait, I am afraid, will continue.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1134192,00.html
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Dias
citação:Originalmente colocada por Veloce
Veio tão a propósito como a opinião sobre o Golf GT.
ahh! então é so titulo do topico que está mal, devia ser " As opiniões do Jeremias"
Ainda voçes falam do fanatismo dos outros...
Quando se acha que a opinião do "Jeremias" sobre um determinado modelo, é importante quanto baste para abrir um tópico, sujeita-se a ver mais opinióes do dito
Além disso sou insuspeito, pois já tinha postado esta mesma crítica sobre o Golf GT muito antes deste tópico ser criado.
http://forum.autohoje.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=78240&whichpage=4
O que não suporto é facciosismo.
Dias
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Veloce
Quando se acha que a opinião do "Jeremias" sobre um determinado modelo, é importante quanto baste para abrir um tópico, sujeita-se a ver mais opinióes do dito
Além disso sou insuspeito, pois já tinha postado esta mesma crítica sobre o Golf GT muito antes deste tópico ser criado.
http://forum.autohoje.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=78240&whichpage=4
O que não suporto é facciosismo.
Tudo bem, são opiniões.
Com já disse na minha seria mais lógico meter mais opiniões sobre o produto me causa, neste caso o Golf GT, caso contrario se querem meter as reviews do "Jeremias" abram um tópico para tal.
Depois este post faz tanto sentido como outros tantos que por aí andam e a discussão estava a decorrer +/- civilizadamente, não vejo necessidade de provocar, com alusões que não são ao produto em causa.
Se queriam argumentar algo, metiam um quote com argumentos/opiniões a favor do Golf, não um da alfa. Isso sim seria uma participação. Agora digam lá quem é fanático.
rubenvalente
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Boas. Bem eu não posso opinar bem sobre este tópico, não sei como se porta o golf GT e acho que é sempre de louvar uma marca apostar num carro deste tipo com este motor, agora o problema é que este carro devia ter ficado muito mais barato, mas na industria automovél não funciona assim, o que eu acho é que por exemplo o 1.4 de 140 cv de potencia é que não devia existir, para quê???citação:Originalmente colocada por RedPower
O 1.4 T-JET 150cv da Fiat é que vai ser Bom![8)]
É uma inovação! [}
O que eu sei é que a Volkswagen Revolocionou os Diesel e agora os Gasolina![]
Se podemos fazer um com 170 para quê fazer um de 140 se o investimento é igual ou a diferença é facilmente negligivél???
Isto é que eu não entendo, nos diesel a mesma coisa, porque razão há-de haver um dci com 65 um com 80 e um com 105...se podem fazer um com 105 porque não dão sempre o melhor produto ao cliente...não me digam que é pelos custos de fabrico porque não é, mas então qual é a razão...
BrunoPinto
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esse jemery, dizer que o golf gt é fraco,.... so mostra o quanto idiota e !! tem de haver de td neste mundo, senao isto nao tinha graça nenhuma ! comprar o gt com o gti ? qual a logica. o gt e um carro normalíssimo com um motor potente! nao e um desportivo como o golf gti!
AF147
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Dias
Tudo bem, são opiniões.
Com já disse na minha seria mais lógico meter mais opiniões sobre o produto me causa, neste caso o Golf GT, caso contrario se querem meter as reviews do "Jeremias" abram um tópico para tal.
Depois este post faz tanto sentido como outros tantos que por aí andam e a discussão estava a decorrer +/- civilizadamente, não vejo necessidade de provocar, com alusões que não são ao produto em causa.
Se queriam argumentar algo, metiam um quote com argumentos/opiniões a favor do Golf, não um da alfa. Isso sim seria uma participação. Agora digam lá quem é fanático.
não percas tempo.
quando não sabem o que dizer, vêm assim com coisas numa tentativa de provocar e obter reacção de modo a centrar a discussão noutra coisa que não o tema.
mas... "vozes de burro não chegam ao céu"
Bernie
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citação:Originalmente colocada por hpventura
Tens que lhe retirar sempre uma certa dose de exagero.
É um "condutor" experiente cuja opinião é mt valorizada, mas tem sempre a sua dose de humor, sarcasmo e exagero.
Se conseguires retirá-las consegues perceber qual é a sua verdadeira opinião !
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AF147
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citação:Originalmente colocada por Veloce
Opinião do Jeremy Clarkson sobe o Alfa GT:
Allow me to explain. For all its good looks and impressive specification, the GT isn’t that great to drive. Its engine may have decent power but it will only get the GT to 62mph in 8.7sec and on to 134mph — figures you could eclipse with a Mini Cooper S, saving yourself about £6,000 and having more fun in the process. The high-power version of the Mazda RX-8 costs just £605 more than the Alfa, has four doors and six gears instead of two and five respectively, and will hit 62mph in 6.4sec en route to 146mph.
These, of course, are bald figures, but the subjective assessment does little to improve the score. The engine is smooth and willing to rev to 7000rpm, but it does not have the character of the 2 litre Alfas of old, not even of the fizzy little 1.5 unit in Dad’s ancient Alfasud. Mazda’s silken Wankel engine, on the other hand, will hit an astonishing 9000rpm with a fine accompanying sound.
All of which would be forgivable if the GT made up in cornering what it lacks in straight-line shove, but it doesn’t. There is commendable grip but ultimately no disguising the fact that this is a front-wheel-drive car, based heavily on the ageing platform of the 156 saloon. The best-handling coupés at this price — be they BMW, Mazda or Nissan’s compelling two-seat-only 350Z — are all rear-wheel drive. Push them hard and you’ll see why. The GT steers precisely, but its helm lacks feel, and the often jarring ride quality is disappointing to say the least.
And that’s my biggest problem with the car. For all its good looks and its smart, practical cabin, it fails at the one job at which every Alfa should excel: providing an entertaining drive. By all means buy the Alfa GT because you love its looks or the badge, or both, but if what you really want is an Alfa to deliver on the promise of those looks, your wait, I am afraid, will continue.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1134192,00.html
e já agora, para que a verdade seja reposta. não foi o Jeremy Clarkson que escreveu isso! lol [}
]foi o Andrew Frankel