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Comparativo - Mazda MX-5 vs Subaru BRZ - Motor Trend

Joy Rides: Playing With Two Fun Cars Nobody Needs


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We interrupt this site's stream of thoughtful automotive analysis covering sensible proletarian SUVs, plutocratic fantasy limos, and sports sedans for the bourgeoisie to bring you some irrational exuberance about a couple of light, cheap, front-engine/rear-drive vehicular toys. Nobody needs a car like these, but their pricing starts about $8,000 less than the national average new-car transaction price so—statistically speaking—most of you could afford to buy them. And buy them you should! Consider it your auto-civic duty to bolster segment sales to lure more automakers into this endangered market.

Today's choice of cars matching the above description has dwindled to three, two of which are identical twins. The third, Mazda's perky 26-year-old MX-5, has everybody salivating as it reinvents itself for only the third time. And what a charming reinvention it is, returning to its roots by trimming nearly every dimension and "adding" Lotus-grade lightness, dropping 186 pounds relative to the last similarly equipped Club edition model we weighed. Intense attention to every performance-related detail of the engine, transmission, body, and chassis makes this the best performing stock Miata we've experienced, handily trumping even the Mazdaspeed turbo.

You don't need us to tell you which of these cars to buy. You consult experts when making rational purchases; these are visceral, emotional buys, and you'd never be happy with something we talked you into. Follow your gut. But we're in the comparo biz, so the three luckiest editor/voters grabbed keys and a company credit card, invited Randy Pobst, our favorite kid-at-heart racing pal, to join us, and headed out to our nearest playgrounds: the Streets of Willow Springs racetrack and the famed Angeles Forest, Angeles Crest, Glendora Mountain, and Mount Baldy roads.

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Representing the twins is the Subaru BRZ because it came out on top of a hi-po six-coupe shootout in 2012 (besting a Miata GT) and because the very next year a starchier MX-5 Club model vanquished a Scion FR-S. We're also not crazy about the latter's Miley Cyrus tendency toward twerking. Our BRZ came outfitted with Subaru's latest Series.Blue package of fancy black STI wheels, ground-effects gingerbread, and interior spiffs. Then, just to mix things up, we also invited a VW GTI as a similarly priced, higher-powered front-drive counterpoint to help us answer the question, "Does a sporty toy really need rear drive?" The immediate answer was a resounding "YEP." So we excused the honorable hot hatch from the direct competition. With that prologue, let's play.

First stop: Streets. We give our MT resident race champ first crack at the fresh tires in each car, and he starts out in the BRZ. "You can dance to it. It is extremely well-balanced and easy to drive right on the edge of its grip with very small inputs. The front and rear tires are at similar slip angles. Even with just 200 horses, I have to feed the throttle in very gently because the car is right on the edge of the grip in the middle of a corner. It's a pleasure." He says the tires feel a bit like they're on marbles but recalls that grippier tires he tested with Tire Rack didn't improve the BRZ's lap times. "The Subaru is very happy on its stock tires because it's so balanced that there's not much drag in the turns. Extra [grip-induced] drag in cornering can slow it down."

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Next up was the MX-5. "The personality of the original Miata is still here, with an amazing amount of body roll—more than the BRZ offers. It feels like it has way more tire grip, but when the tires lose their grip, they lose it very fast, so this car needs to stay hooked up. It feels so light with a responsiveness that is almost absent from all cars today, except the Alfa 4C—I really like that. I don't think I experienced any understeer anywhere at any time, and I drove deeper into the brake zone on the uphill into Turn 2 than I have in any car ever. It stops really well, and the tire grip felt great compared with the BRZ. The shifter is quick and accurate and slicker than the BRZ's." Recent Miata owner Pobst's lap times align with his preference: 1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.

Even driving at 80 percent of Pobst's pace, the editorial Willow notes largely mirror Randy's. Associate road test editor Carlos Lago reckons the BRZ's "chassis accepts corrections more readily than the Miata's and feels a bit more flexible overall," adding that the MX-5's "roll and lack of power mean you need to be correct with your initial steering input." He suspects that for him, "the [$3,400] spent on the Miata's Brembo/BBS/Bilstein package would be better spent in the aftermarket." The BRZ's gearing averages 6 percent shorter than the MX-5's, but its 7,400-rpm redline is higher, so it requires a bit less shifting. It corners a lot flatter than the MX-5 but generates less grip (0.94 versus 0.97 g), making it a drifter's dream while the Mazda just feels so much lighter and more nimble. It also pulls stronger out of the corners than the Subaru—curious given the BRZ's gearing advantage and 7 percent better weight to power ratio. Blame a noticeable flat spot in the BRZ's torque curve and credit Mazda's fattened torque curve and 18 percent advantage in weight to torque. Time runs out long before we tire of playing with these toys here, but as the sun sets, Lago proclaims the BRZ his preferred track car, yours truly is pondering 2016 Spec Miata ownership, and copy chief Emiliana Sandoval is undecided.

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Even driving at 80 percent of Pobst's pace, the editorial Willow notes largely mirror Randy's. Associate road test editor Carlos Lago reckons the BRZ's "chassis accepts corrections more readily than the Miata's and feels a bit more flexible overall," adding that the MX-5's "roll and lack of power mean you need to be correct with your initial steering input." He suspects that for him, "the [$3,400] spent on the Miata's Brembo/BBS/Bilstein package would be better spent in the aftermarket." The BRZ's gearing averages 6 percent shorter than the MX-5's, but its 7,400-rpm redline is higher, so it requires a bit less shifting.

It corners a lot flatter than the MX-5 but generates less grip (0.94 versus 0.97 g), making it a drifter's dream while the Mazda just feels so much lighter and more nimble. It also pulls stronger out of the corners than the Subaru—curious given the BRZ's gearing advantage and 7 percent better weight to power ratio. Blame a noticeable flat spot in the BRZ's torque curve and credit Mazda's fattened torque curve and 18 percent advantage in weight to torque. Time runs out long before we tire of playing with these toys here, but as the sun sets, Lago proclaims the BRZ his preferred track car, yours truly is pondering 2016 Spec Miata ownership, and copy chief Emiliana Sandoval is undecided.

With our "work" concluded, we head for the mountains for some real-world play. Five-feet-of-fun Sandoval finds the BRZ's cockpit an ideal fit that compounds the confidence inspired by the chassis' responsive steering and flat cornering. She regards it as "a patient older brother taking his kid sister to a PG movie when he'd prefer an R-rated one with some drifting." Lago concurs: "Seems like you sit lower in the BRZ, and I like the feeling of sitting down in the car rather than on top of it." Sandoval likens the Mazda's poise and balance to that of a ballerina, its minimal weight forever "over its center," able to pirouette effortlessly. While admitting she'd personally buy the better fitting BRZ, she notes that "it's like a distressed leather jacket whereas the more refined Miata is a fine merino wool sport coat." Lago declares, "The Miata falls on the big-boy toy scale between the Alfa 4C and a Jet Ski," adding that it perpetually "gives me a goofy grin."

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Driving the BRZ briskly in VSC-Sport mode, I am instantly struck by how often and/or noticeably the stability control intervenes to keep me on my intended line. They're sharp, buzz-killing interventions I can often feel through the steering wheel. Driving the Mazda in full stability-on mode, I occasionally catch a peripheral glimpse of the flashing ESC light but perceive no electronic nannying. Feed in the gas mid-corner, and the limited-slip diff and the gentle toe-in effect generated by the body roll combine to tighten the driving line like magic.

Mazda's approach makes me feel superheroic; the Subaru's, klutzy. My 5-foot-10-inch frame fits the Mazda perfectly, and the 2016's more inboard seating position, lower hood, and expanded windshield make for perfect forward visibility. Seeing the road rushing by so close over the low hood enhances the impression of speed. The Subie's coarse bark sounds great at 7,000 revs but a little tiresome ("like a giant irked bee") at freeway speeds, and the Miata's engine always "sounds like it's clearing its throat" to Sandoval. Actually, there's tons of road and wind noise in the Mazda (sound deadening adds weight), but the headrest speakers cover it at reasonable volume levels.

Oh, and if you didn't notice, the top comes off, which googletuples the fun.So we arrive at an interesting result, wherein both Lago and Sandoval would buy the BRZ (this vintage Brit-roadster owner votes Miata) while we unanimously agree the Mazda is the better car and hence deserves the official win. But please do as we would and buy whichever one you liked best before you read this. Just do us a favor: Think twice about boosting the power or adding fatter tires or a kidney-krusher suspension because, as Reynolds laments, "Drivers now have lost all memory of what light Lotuses and little MGs were like to drive. These cars are a refresher course in their glories." Trust us: It is more fun to drive a slow car fast. And fun is the object here.

Second Place: Subaru BRZ

If you have to drive it every day (and carry a spare set of tires to the track), this is your toy.

First Place: Mazda MX-5


If you have room in your life (and garage) for a fair-weather toy, this is the best one for the money
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Vou ter que comprar um carro daqui a uns meses (fora de portugal) e este é claramente um dos eleitos (os outros são carros mais potentes, mas em segunda mão).[:cool:]

Tudo neste carro me fascina. a engenharia, a forma como conseguiram diminuir as dimensões e aumentar o espaço interior, a maneira como o motor perde 15cv mas é sempre mais potente abaixo da 5.3krpm, mesmo a estética, o mecanismo da capota, o baixo peso. sobretudo o baixo peso.apr:)

Na minha opinião a mazda dá uma lição de como fazer um carro do 0.

Já tive medo de achar este carro pouco potente, mas andei muito com o ds3 thp de 150cv que é mais pesado e nunca achei lento.[kiss]
 
Mazda MX-5 desde 24 634 euros - Autohoje


O Mazda MX-5 com motor 1.5 de 130 CV vai custar 24 634 euros no nível mais básico de equipamento, o Essence. Há mais dois níveis, o Evolve e o Excellence.

Na variante mais potente, com o bloco 2.0 de 160 CV, o preço confirmado pela Mazda é de 40 950 euros, associado a um único nível de equipamento, o de topo Excellence.

As vendas e primeiras entregas arrancam em setembro.

O novo Mazda MX-5 estará disponível na Europa com duas opções de motorização a gasolina: o Skyactiv-G 1.5 e o Skyactiv-G 2.0. Ambas as unidades Euro 6 são naturalmente aspiradas e possuem um sistema de injeção direta. O 1.5 tem 131 cv às 7000 rpm e 150 Nm de binário às 4800 rpm, tem uma taxa de compressão de 13.0:1 e anuncia consumos de 6,0 l/100 km e emissões de CO2 de 139 g/km. O mais potente, o 2.0, tem 160 cv às 6000 rpm e 200 Nm às 4600 rpm. Anuncia 6,6 l/100 km e 154 g/km de emissões de CO2 (na versão com i-stop e i-Eloop). Ambos surgem associados de série a uma caixa manual de seis velocidades. O 1.5 é capaz de cumprir a aceleração de 0 a 100 km/h em 8,3 segundos e o 2.0 em 7,3 segundos. A velocidade máxima é de 204 e 214 km/h, respetivamente.
 
O 2.0 parece-me ter um preço elevado mas não me surpreende que assim seja. O 1.5 parece-me estar com um preço que esperava e acredito que possa vender bem... ou pelo menos tendo em consideração o que vendem os cabrios/roadsters em portugal.
 
Já se sabe os equipamentos de série/opcionais para as versões Essence - Evolve - Excellence?

O Essence 1.5 por 24.634,00 Eur. parece-me um óptimo preço de ataque.. agora resta saber é o seu equipamento!
Mas.. quase que aposto que deverá ter estofos em tecido (por mim melhor..), e deve ter aquele rádio básico sem LCD que também encontramos no serie 3.

Será?

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Uma boa surpresa este preço do 1.5, não esperava tão barato estava mais a apontar para perto dos 30

O 2.0 é que não vai vender quase nada, com um preço tão elevado, já dá para ir para carros mais potentes e rápidos
 
Uma boa surpresa este preço do 1.5, não esperava tão barato estava mais a apontar para perto dos 30

O 2.0 é que não vai vender quase nada, com um preço tão elevado, já dá para ir para carros mais potentes e rápidos

É o que já se passa com o actual MX-5 2.0.

Quanto ao 1.5 acho que vais acabar por ter as versões vendidas com preços mais em torno dos 30k com o equipamento, mas é simpático poderes ter uma entrada de gama a 25. E tem potencial para vender bem.
 
Uma boa surpresa este preço do 1.5, não esperava tão barato estava mais a apontar para perto dos 30

O 2.0 é que não vai vender quase nada, com um preço tão elevado, já dá para ir para carros mais potentes e rápidos

Rápidos a direito ou a rápidos a mudar de direcção [:p]
 
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41k já é entrar no terreno do all mighty megane rs e do recente civic type r (este ultimo tem o dobro dos cvs do mazda 2.0)


Para quem preferir rwd tem sempre o toyota gt86 e quem quiser algo mais exclusivo e agressivo tem o elise 1.8 com 143 cvs

O 1.5 é que tem um bom preço de entrada por aquele preço só se deve arranjar ibiza cupra ou polo gti (que agora é 1.8T 192 cvs)
 
O mercado-alvo do MX-5 não é quem olha para a relação preço/potência (não estou a falar de ninguém em particular, atenção)
 
O mercado-alvo do MX-5 não é quem olha para a relação preço/potência (não estou a falar de ninguém em particular, atenção)
Eu sei que nao e quem compra um mx5 novo dificilmente vai tirar partido do fabuloso chassis

Daí que dificilmente eu compraria um novo pelo preço, porque há propostas mais interessantes, no entanto era gajo para comprar usado
 
41k já é entrar no terreno do all mighty megane rs e do recente civic type r (este ultimo tem o dobro dos cvs do mazda 2.0)


Para quem preferir rwd tem sempre o toyota gt86 e quem quiser algo mais exclusivo e agressivo tem o elise 1.8 com 143 cvs

O 1.5 é que tem um bom preço de entrada por aquele preço só se deve arranjar ibiza cupra ou polo gti (que agora é 1.8T 192 cvs)

O Elise normal barato é um 1.6 com 134cv, daí para cima só o S e o S Cup com 217cv+ [;)]
 
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